KRS ONE IS CONFUSED.

no shit thats an interesting peice.
I thought that same thing that it seemed like KRS would only go after weaker cats ie: Nelly for making that song “#1″ but whatever the case KRS is still a dope lyricist.

“KRS-ONE - Hip Hop SUCKS because YOU!”

Duh, he is Hip Hop after all.

Great post.

What’s the source of the drawing?

“I feel compelled to break my silence”

Man, you are a hater and straight up one-hit wonder!

i doubt anybody was gonna fuck krs up because ya boy got mad hood love all over the country. gang niggas even give him love in compton. Ive seen him outside walking around by himself like nothing. They might have had beef but im sure they talked it out. Plus i never even heard of no shit like that. i did hear that krs had some issues with x-clan but they peaced it up. i dont care if you a school teacher or a mailman sometimes you gotta let a nigga know you aint to be fucked with. plus people dont realize that krs was a straight thug before he even started rappin’. he has always been aggresive since criminal minded and 9mm. he is from the street so what do you expect. everybody is entitled to their opinion but krs still deserves ut most respect…peace

“What’s the source of the drawing?”

The source is The Source (?), from the “Year In Hip-Hop ‘92″ issue. It was drawn by “The Last Word” regular Andre Leroy Davis and titled “Feel The Vibe”.

What’s the big deal? Didn’t Dr. Dre fuck up lil’ Dee Barnes before this? THAT’s something totally uncalled for (plus she REALLY got fucked up).

Maybe PM Dawns comments were a weak reason to beat the crap out of the guy, but nobody got killed. In 1992, hop hop had strict rules…KRS ONE enforced.

But it seems like KRS is backtracking from his rougher early ’90s image to present himself as a philospher. Which we all know he isn’t because he’s totally full of shit.

Perhaps the beatdown then wasn’t justified…

…but PM Dawn has become such a sample nazi in recent years that, if there’s such a thing as a beatdown justified in retrospect, this is the case. The latest Murs/9th Wonder record almost didn’t drop because of him.

Does any footage exist of this moment? Also, does anyone have the issue of, I believe it was “Rap Pages” where PM Dawn made the alleged claims KRS said he did?

Details magazine, excuse me.

Got details on the Murs PM Dawn thing? What’s he doing–ratting on samplers?

Are you serious? Isn’t this dude (Kool Kim, no homo), from the same borough as a few Wu-Tang members? Why ain’t he say nothin’ about this YEARS ago? Maybe he’s as soft as he says, and everybody already knew, P.M Dawn was. Kris is obviously leaving elements of the actual story OUT. Maybe for legal reasons. Who knows? But, to come out of seclusion after so many years with this non-issue of a story is ludicrous. Man, please. Robbie, is this a late April Fool’s gag, or something? And to think, I purchased them two dudes’ TWO LPs back in the day. Talk about contradictory.

I gotta say, I don’t agree with what KRS did at all, but I know kid made some dope music, as did PM Dawn, straight up, kids had some dope shit “Plastic” was sick they had other shit too, peep their catalogue!! I’d like to think Kool Kim, I finde shit like thisinteresting because you get a little more of the story, which is always good. Good look on the story KK.

Dee El Sends
P.E.A.C.E.

This is wack… Hip Hop sucks because of the record industry and all the money side of things, not KRS One… Gay alert!!!

“This light skin cutie was giving me the eye, and all I could think about was how nasty I was gonna screw this chick.”

The real tragedy here is how KRS’ actions cock-blocked Kim from banging this broad.

robbie u speak the truth.
i would be mad at krs if he cock bloked me too..

Stop The Violence! Word, you told ‘em Kris. What was that Chuck D said, “I never tried to pretend I had an accent that I never had.”

I think KRS has been getting smarter and wiser as the years go by. Confused? Maybe. Full of shit? No way. No single individual has a full grip on the entire human consciousness, buty I’ve heard some serious clues in his music through the years. How many pieces of the puzzle are YOU missing?

Oh yeah, that was another thing… Does this fool REALLY believe that Hip-Hop sucks because of KRS-ONE? Get this ni@@a a Luden! That, to borrow from my man Byron, is reedonkulous! Seriously, I am thinking about finding my UMCs cassettes and tossing ‘em; This dude is really crack’d. Robbie get rid of this clown before he gets a second column.

First… LOL..
let it be know that if i post an article in here.. that i’ll be damned if i am gonna just let crabs diss my shit.. LOL

second.. I aint even angry.. so don’t read me wrong

But real talk.. let’s put shit into perspective here.
I been rocking to Hip Hop for a good 27 years now.. long befor KRS came out.. and I NEVER heard of any HIP HOP code or implicit statement that allowed for an ass whuppin on stage, when u called someones shit out.
Now here this dude on here fosterakahunter try to disrespect my words.. aiight bet that.. Now I’ma Network admin by trade.. I can easily trace route his IP address and find where this dude live.. Now imagine.. LOL.. imagine how stupid this shit would sound if i hauled off and drove or flew where son lives to confront him over a message board statement.. OVER SOME SHIT THAT I PUT OUT THERE!!
that shit is stupid.
and then.. if i fucked around and did that.. while dude was at WORK.. LOL.. while he at work making his living.. i run up on him at mcdonalds and beat him with the fry thing he uses when he on fries!!..
madness.

Right is right and wrong is wrong.. fuck I got LOVE for KRS .. this dude used to be my MUSICAL idol.. but what he did as a man is fucked up.
Think about what that must be like .. to live with that shit on your head..
that’s worse than getting your ass kicked on youtube..
for what.. cause he called this dude KRS out on some shit that KRS One was rapping about .. He the one that call himself the teacher.. now most times in my life when i disagreed with a teacher.. the absolute worse thing that would have happened.. was getting a bad grade or getting sent out the class.. Not my ass whopped.

Yo.. for dude fosterakahunter and anyone else that has issue with this article.. that’s peace… do u.. but really man.. don’t be on ANYONES DICK so hard that u forget your own sense of right and wrong.

and to those that wonder why after X amount of years i decided to write about it.. cause dumb ass.. i was asked to write something.. and i just so happened to come upon this audio and i wrote something.. I figured it would be Intresting..

and it won’t be the last time I write a column called Hip Hop Sucks because YOU.

shit it sucks because ME too.. and i’ll get into that soon enough.

grow the fuck up.. and if u plan on tossing my tapes.. do me a favor and send them my way.. i hear they fetch a good pennei on Ebay.

LOL..
stop taking yaself so serious nigga I don’t.

I guess people ain’t allowed to change

and NO .. i cannot spell worth a damn.

The best rap story. Ever.

“In fact, he the reason why HIP HOP is fucked up now, ’cause right after that niggas went CRAZY tryna replicate that crap. Mad fights and people getting jumped, it changed the face of the music ’cause dudes were tryna toughen up to show that they weren’t soft either. 14 years later - look what we got: A bunch of savages”

THAT’S BULLSHIT…..there was always violence at HipHop events and jams prior to that PM Dawn incident, isn’t he forgetting about the AMOUNT OF HEAT KRS TOOK COS TO THAT INCIDENT which he still pays for till this day…..there was an infamous violent incident at the New Music Seminar with Above The Law & Ice Cube and his crew, which lead to King Sun having Ice Cube’s back (before they wound up having beef)….and in fact I can name you other incidents….And yeah Flo, regarding the BDP/X-Clan thing apparently that was mad intense that if Bam hadn’t stepped in, it could’ve gotton violent especially as Freddie Foxx was ready to jump in, in fact at a Press Conference Kris even warned X-Clan by stating “X-Clan better stay outta my way”…..

Ohh by the way Robbie, in 1992 HHC had an interview with KRS….and in this interview you can tell Kris was heated, cos in this interview he was going off on X-Clan, Ice Cube, NWA and PM Dawn….and in this interview, he even said this “What happened to PM Dawn, could’ve happened to Ice Cube & Lench Mob and X-Clan or anybody else that had taken shots at me over the years…After PM Dawn’s comments I just got fed up with it”…..as well as this “When you step to me, be sure you have the critical crew, otherwise what happened to Prince Be will happen to you…..As a matter of fact, I read the article before I went to the club and that’s what really set it off. Now had I read Ice Cube the day before I’d seen him, the same thing would’ve happened, If I’d read X-Clan the day before the same thing”…..

“and when he had beef with them PRT Jerzee dudes that dude ain’t have SHIT to say to them.”

In that same article, KRS even said this “I came into the industry as the teacher of rap music…Not a Poor Righteous Teacher or any of these bullshit people who come out”….And there was another incident in Boston on a talk show where he apparently gave his views on PRT by saying “I THINK THEY’RE POOR AND THEY’RE RIGHTEOUS”……

Alot people forget about the beef he had with Ice Cube

But that’s all for now

good point..
something to consider..

ROBBIE, good looks on this post. I can’t believe that I missed this event. I must have been O.T. on the Interstate this weekend. This reminded me of a KRS-1 show that was at the old Octagon nightclub. Tragedy and Lord Finesse were the opening acts and both were booed off stage. Tragedy and his crew were pelted with ice. When they came downstairs to beef with cats everybody was like “What?!?” Lord Finesse didn’t fair much better because he was rhyming over a pre-recorded track that already had his vocals laid down on it as well. The crowd was growing restless and pushing and fighting was breaking out inside the club. Guess who comes on stage and does a routine that calms everybody down? Doug E. Fresh came out and did a quick routine and ‘La-Di-Da-Di’ with thew crowd chanting Slick Rick’s verses. Doug E. is Hip-Hop to his bone marrow. The crowd simmered down and KRS-1 came out and ripped shit.

Oh yeah, peace to Kool Kim, my homie BLU CHEEZ says what up.

Ohh one more thing regarding the PRT/KRS after an infamous incident at one of KRS’ college lectures, Kris & Wise Intelligent had a spontaneous long debate but it was said that Wise Intelligent outdebated him…and it lead to the beef getting squashed and KRS/PRT doing that record ‘Conscious Style’

KK tellin like it is..more than one side to every story. KRS has always been a walking contradcition, but still once of the best/most important MCs.
I want to know more about PrinceBe being a sample Nazi..I knew dude was deep in the record game, now he’s gone Benedict Arnold?!

KRS HOLDS MORE WEIGHT THAN THAT SUGAR COATED POP GROUP PM DAWN EVER DID. PEOPLE IN THE KNOW IN THE U.K KNEW EXACTLY WHAT WAS WHAT, COS THE MOST OF PM DAWN´S FANS WERE TOO YOUNG TO UNDERSTAND EXPECT HOW TO BUY A SINGLE AND MAKE IT CHART. THEY WERE KIND OF LIKE A DE LA SOUL GONE WRONG. SO KEEP BANGING KRIS AND A SHOUT OUT TO CED GEE & ULTRA MAGNETIC AND TOM TYLER!!!
LATER.

This is probably my all-time favorite hip hop moment, that I can say I was around during the time (from 86′ on). That being said, I do agree that it was like he was trying to pick on the weakest kid in the class kind of thing. It was kind of uncalled for, but I think he did it for show and knew it would be one of those moments people would talk about for a long time (we are talking about now 14 years later). I thought there was some sort of confortation w/ KRS & Wise of PRT back in the day. Also wasn’t “Build & Destroy” off of “Sex & Violence” about X-Clan (”You got blabbering fucking fools”)

As far as how the story went, that’s the exact way I remember it being reported, nothing new. I haven’t listened to the Audio yet (no speakers at work), so I’m not sure what KRS is trying to say what happened. I think it’s a classic moment in Hip-Hop, although it is kind of wrong how it went down.

With that said, I get what Kim is trying to say, but I wouldn’t say that event really affected anything beyond that night. It wasn’t like we had a wave of MC’s tossing other MC’s off the stage or shit like that.

Anyway, I welcome to hear an insiders stories such as Kim in future posts, welcome.

Murs mentions PM Dawn and the sample-issue in this interview, allthough he doesnt name Prince B personally

http://www.hiphopgame.com/index2.php3?page=murs2

Props on the story and Krs should stick to preaching instead of philosophy, cause philosophy deals with uncertain things and complex stuff.

Travis there was like I said earlier….And yep, Build & Destroy was a response to X-Clan’s critisism….and like I said earlier, apparently that was mad intense that if Bam hadn’t stepped in, it could’ve gotton violent and taken to the streets especially as Freddie Foxx was ready to jump in, in fact at a Press Conference Kris even warned X-Clan by stating “X-Clan better stay outta my way”…..

Ay Kool Kim,

Damn, what’s up with you? You need to listen to what people trying to tell you. You may not like the language but the points is valid. I come to this site off of an XXL link talking about you (who I have never heard of and didn’t know you were an artist yourself) were explaining how KRS-One ruined hip-hop. Of course I’m expecting something else. But this…
You could have just said you were going to tell the real story of what happened. I had never heard it thoroughly so that was good. I heard an interview with KRS on Davey D’s (the greatest hip-hop journalist/historian in history in my opinion) and he said some shit that straight made me think of him different. I thought you were going to go that way. But him doing this had no effect on hip-hop…
I’m from the Midwest… you have to think, for everybody else outside the East Coast, this shit was a fringe story - an urban legend - nobody knew enough about this to imitate it besides maybe a few East Coast MCs - that’s the most ridiculous statement, that this somehow turned niggas in hip-hop into savages. Nobody outside that circle knew who the fuck PM Dawn was. I promise. The only thing they were semi-known for (outside of that circle) was that song on Boomerang soundtrack. So, I thought they were singers back then. I didn’t know they rap.
You went real far with that shit though talking about what if you traced dude’s IP address and showed up at his house? What? What if you showed up at his house and he popped the trunk on you like Snoop in that new Vato video and pulled out the pistol grip pump.

Like you told dude, don’t take yourself too serious. Interesting narrative though.

P.S. Dude didn’t “hold his like a man with conviction”. He wisely decided he didn’t want his ass whooped by those 6′6” dudes you was talking about. That was an easy choice for him.

lmao @ this whole read.

Check this..
I want to say a few things.. and please don’t misconstrue it as back peddeling..

I LOVE KRS ONE.. i remember when I first got Criminal Minded.. aww man .. I loved that album.. My philosophy… .. come on man..

THis series I am writing called HIP HOP sucks because YOU.. is meant to be about a rack of shit that I have seen and heard and blah blah.. and at the end of the day.. it’s MY OPINION based on the things i have been privvy to. I have a unique perspective.. one which 99% of you WILL NEVER EVER KNOW.
So enjoy the joints for what they are worth.. they are insider stories..

If someone debunk something I said.. or disprove something i wrote.. or even show grounds for a change of heart.. I’ll JUMP RIGHT UP ON HERE and recognize…

I aint Star and Buckwild or Mrs Jones and shit.. I’m me..

with that being said.. enjoy these lil tid bits i toss out.. but know that whatever i write is just the shit i write.. of course some of these stories are gonna be dated.. when was the last time i came out with a record??.. lol..

And to all my KRS Groupies.. don’t worry.. He’s still your teacher.. he’s still the philosipher.. this lil article aint gonna change shit that happend or is happening.. KRS 1 is still that cat.. so don’t get your feathers in a ruffle

NEXT WEEK… … “I showed you your First Tech on tour with Large Professor..”… hmmm Wasn’t I on that tour???

good story, but saying that this incident altered hip hop in any way is INSANE, homie.

Now, I believe that KRS used to be the truth, but his choosing to beef with a hippie rap group while uttering the “stop the violence” mantra is totally hypocritical.

And, his explaination was silly. I mean, with all the jew music moguls that insult and degrade hip hop DAILY, his beef with PM Dawn should have been miniscule.

It hurts me to say it, but: Fuck him…

“You went real far with that shit though talking about what if you traced dude’s IP address and showed up at his house? What? What if you showed up at his house and he popped the trunk on you like Snoop in that new Vato video and pulled out the pistol grip pump. ”

right.. grow up.

listen to what u are saying..
if i am “taking it far..” by suggesting how STUPID THAT WOULD BE IF I WERE TO DO THAT..
then where are we with KRS having read an article and did that to son.

u wanna build .. let’s step away from the drama of it and get real deep

From the temple of HIP HOP.. directly cut and copied
Second Principle

Hiphop Kulture respects the dignity and sanctity of life without discrimination or prejudice. Hiphoppas shall thoroughly consider the protection and the development of life, over and before the individual decision to destroy or seek to alter its natural development.

here’s another

Fourth Principle

Hiphop is a term that describes our independent collective consciousness. As a conscious way of life, we acknowledge our influence on society, especially on children; and we shall forever keep the rights and welfare of both in mind. Hiphop Kulture encourages womanhood, manhood, sisterhood, brotherhood, childhood and family. We are conscious not to bring any intentional disrespect that jeopardizes the dignity and reputation of our children, elders and ancestors.

and one more..

Thirteenth Principle

Hiphop Kulture rejects the immature impulse for unwarranted acts of violence and always seeks diplomatic, non-violent strategies in the settlement of all disputes. Hiphoppas are encouraged to consider forgiveness and understanding before any act of retaliation. War is reserved as a final solution when there is evidence that all other means of diplomatic negotiation have failed repeatedly.

Talk to me people… I aint write this.. i quoted it..
talk to me..
and give me a sound argument.. fuck what record i came out with .. LOL.. and how many hits i had.. nigga u aint had none.. so that’s a non-issue. let’s keep it rational.. Like i said if i am wrong.. then i am wrong.. this is an online discussion.. i am going to respond.. and u can say what u feel.. just come with something of substance

for all yall cats on other board reading this or getting ya lil second hand post .. pull your panties out ya ass and speak ya mind.
otherwise u aint sayin nothin..

and NO i am not sitting in front of my computer pissed off or none o that sorta shit. It’s a blog made for discussion..
so discuss.

hahahaha, shit went crazy on here in a just a few hours. Chill people.

I was feeling your verse on the Good People EP Kool Kim, i just got it in the post today. Best indie rap record I have heard in a long while.
We going to here more from the UMC’s?

I’m drunk and going home to listen to Criminal Minded. haha peace from Scotland.

Just for the record, fosterakahunter is a long-time supporter of this site and Kool Kim doesn’t have access to his IP address or anything like that - although he was just using that as a hypothetical scenario to prove his point.

Whether or not you agree with what Kim’s saying, he was there so he has every right to tell his story.

Aight… some KRS fans are gettin’ carried away with their groupie-ism. I love all the classic BDP shit to this day, and this article is not changin’ my mind about that.

BUT let’s be honest- KRS’ ego at that time was about as bad as the shit most of the ‘purists’ will complain about today when it’s comin’ from 50 Cent. His ego was out of control, and he had a LOT to say about lots of artists. But it never got serious or physical until the least threatening one of the pack- PM Dawn- said something about him.

Do y’all think that was irony? Fuck no. And all the same, KRS did the same shit 10 years later by NEVER callin’ out any of the people he felt were “ruinin’ hip-hop”, until Nelly.

At some point you gotta realize that regardless of his talent, legendary status, etc… KRS-One has a loooong history of egomania and selective bullying.

^word

and a great story at that!

keep coming with them insights kim!!

great read, looking forward to the next one. i dont think people understand that this is just kool kims point of view on what he saw.Like it or not i enjoyed it, how often does someone in the industry tell a story like this on the net for us to read, NEVA.

“UMC’s is the new way of being!”

Why don’t you speak on how you abandoned your original happy style of rapping on your first album for the more hardcore approach on your second album? I’m interested in hearing your story…

PEACE!

U know what..

how bout i do JUST THAT.. I’d LOVE to do that..
LOL. original “happy style”.. yeah .. aight. that’s perfect..

i might even do that sooner than later..

u tried to type that like i was gonna be taken aback or something.

so i’ll do that for next week.

Yo, much respect to KRS and all, but I gotta say, what’s with this “I am the physical embodiment of Hip-Hop stuff”, that’s he’s been saying for years now, huh? I mean, he’s entitled to his opinion and all, but, come on. That’s quite
BIG statement.

Yeah, see on some real shit, I feel you on the part about KRS
when you call him a fraud - especially after your last post. I never saw no actual literature or rules from the temple of hip-hop before that, or what he was saying it was supposed to be.Like I said I heard him say some things in an interview with Davey D that had me like, what the hell is KRS on? I think you can say anything about him as a person and his character and we gotta pretty much feel you cause like you said, you know way more about that and him than any of us cause you was around in that circle but…

But really the part about whooping dude, it’s all in the game. You know that’s everyday life situations back when you young. I think you looking at it in that sympathetic way in the hood like, “they ain’t have to whoop dude, they know he can’t fight anyway.” That’s how I used to be a lot of the time. Like you said, you had just made a connection with dude. But KRS explained really in that clip that it was more cause dude was a nobody to them, which he was. Now picture like that’s regular life in the hood. If a young nigga that just now really comes outside the house - he usually always stay in playing Nintendo and can’t come outside - on the blocks says something to you crazy, you more likely to slap him in front of everybody and make an example. Not cause he weak, but just cause you look at it like, the audacity of this weak ass nigga, he don’t even got the right to open his mouth yet. I feel him on the asswhoopin part just cause I think everybody had niggas like that who ass you just wanted to whoop sometimes because they thought they got cool as hell of a sudden when they got attention and got a little name.
You probably know, I bet it’s plenty niggas in the industry that want to whoop Kanye West ass. Lookin at him like, this little square nigga get on my nerves, I’ll whoop his ass. Tell me I’m lying.

Blame KRS for some of the shit he say and do, but don’t blame him for whoopin dude upside his shit though.

Here’s something interesting I just saw posted by producer Tony D over at The Vinyl Exchange:

i must admit i believe that article 100% . . and to add some insight.

i was there at the car wash event when king sun was gonna flatten krs1
i mean it would have been a nice even match but noone really wanted that. i grabbed sun and kenny parker grabbed kris and we was like c,mon man work this beef out. squash it!. .

now the p.r.t. shit is alo true because krs didn’t want nothing to do the gods. . not p.r.t. nor the 5% nation heads were not havin it. .

and to top it off the whole king sun vs. ice cube beef started because of the flip side to sippin brandy ” in pursuit uptown ” which i produced. it had blvd. mosse’s rhazii singing this hook going ” the girl wicked ” .
i knew son gave the song to cube to try to get a deal but instead cube bit the hook for that song he had called ” wicked ” . . .
and sun wasn’t having it. . .
sun was the reel deal. dude went up into to profile records. and stuck a gun in a couple label heads grill. . . my man sun. . . that’s my dog right there. spoke to him a month ago. . . hope that sheds light on some things, peace tony d

What’s with all the KRS dick riding in here? He made some classic LPs, but so what? Michael Jackson made Thriller, but he’s still a fucking nut case — just like KRS.

See URL below, and his entire existence for the past ten years as an example:

http://www.byroncrawford.com/2006/03/krsone.html

I can listen to By Any Means Necessary and enjoy it, just like I can enjoy Billie Jean. In either case, I wouldn’t want to hang out with either of the dudes unless I was being paid to.

MORE ON THE PM DAWN SAMPLE ISSUE:

Murs went off on Pr.B. at the show at Knitting Facotry I was at a few months ago. Apparently, this is not the first time he has done that, and has caused countless problems for indie rappers, going as far as (allegedly) listening for indie and underground rap releases for samples of him and then threatening lawsuits.

Set Adrift on a Musical Bitch.

LOL @ Maad… actually that’s what I thought Kim was gettin’ at when he said he was gonna do one on himself. And for the record, I did use to play the shit outta ‘Fruits Of Nature’. “Kraftwork” = still crazy.

foster and kevin, what up?

damn, kool kim…wtf? you’re off base with the hip hop sucks shit but i’m glad you spoke your piece because i learned a couple things from the ensuing melee.

“I never really seen a human being get moved like that.”

ror.

“the dawn is over, the dawn is over.”

that feeling must have been incredible.

KRS is just a old confused man! Fuck it I always liked D-Nice better any fuckin’ way.. ya heard? And yo stop that bullshit fo’ real Gay´-RS is’nt hip hop FUCK THAT - Kool Herc is hip hop if you wanna give ONE person that mothafuckin’ title… Even though I thinks thats some cake shit! Hip hop does NOT have creative limitations - Nelly IS hip hop and EPMD is hip hop nad everything in between - and we should appreciate that yo PEEEEEEACE!

people never really understood the shit pm dawn was kicking.. they pioneered singing and rapping..trip hop.. mixing rap with other genres.. they also released some classic albums

Yo,Much respect to Kool Kim for the insight. UMC’s first album was a true classic in terms of beats, lyrics and conceptualization. (Ya need to release that album’s instrumentals, duke.)
As for KRS-1, hypocrisy has been his character from day one. He ripped MC Shan, but that song “The Bridge” never stated that rap started in Queens. He was just shouting out Queens legends…or, for you younger cats “Reppin his hood.”
KRS is a legend,..GREAT MC..ut he’s got his issues, like we all do. It’s the Duality of Man.
Kool Kim’s account to “E true hollywood stories” or behind the music. So bless us with some more, Kool Kim. It’s not dated to true Hip Hop fans.
PEACE!

I have two statements i would like to make.

i have been reading some other post in other boards… and I just read somewhere that KRS is on a spiritual journey. If this is the Case then i want to apologize to the brother for even posting this. Because my belife system tells me that when a person is trying to do good the devil makes himself apparent to distract that process. I was on a BS website when i came across this audio file and had later come to find that it was dated audio. But at first i was under the impression that this was a recent audio .. as many of you i heard the davey d interview and the other where KRS was threatening to punch dude in the face. So when i hear it I was sort of fed up as well.
But the thing is, if this is dated audio and such then that means that i was devilish in writing this post.. this might be that thing that could break the brother from his spiritual focus.. and that isn’t right.

enlightened..
i read your post and i have to agree with the statements.. your analogy was deep. I can see how he could be moved to that sort of action based on that..

I think at the same token I just felt like he was and is wise enough to see the big picture. I know that violence started long before KRS.. come on .. but i also know FOR A FACT that this is a copycat society. I know that when someone does something and gets noteriety for it that everyone is going to follow suit.

Kim, thanks for sharing an eye witness account and your own opinion, dunno why everybody’s hating… Talk about the balls it takes to get tought on a message board!

Anyway, I wanted to share a piece I wrote about a college lecture KRS one gave. It was entertaining, but clearly informative? Nah… Here it goes…

Q & A with KRS was, well, not one anyone expected. First up, the head of the Ethnic Student’s Association or whatever PC group makes up the American minorities on campus asks the hot question of the moment about Eminem. “Do you think’s it okay he called an African American woman a “black b*tch” in 1993 on a freestyle tape, blah blah blah?” Who cares? You have one of ten truly pioneering Hip Hop B-Boys at your college and this is what you ask?

Anyway, KRS answers his question at length, almost 15 minutes; it is a hint of what was to come next.

“Next question.” The next questioner speaks to KRS like you would a friend. “I’ve enjoyed your music- [sings] ‘so you’re a philospher’- thanks for all that you’ve done, etc. Will you listen to a question I’ve written out?”

Kris agrees, so my man asks him to explain the meaning behind the following poem from Kris’ 1997 “I Got Next.”

“Yeah, listen to the lyrics
We are the ones prophesized to return
My main concern is for all of you to learn…
…So in this age, of spiritual dignity
You’ll see a rise in femininity
and creativity, meshed with masculinity”
You got to get with me, this is your true herstory
Do you wanna go higher…

KRS is floored. “Wow, that one there is for the people paying attention, for people like you. One of my favorite topics. Okay, okay, let’s begin with the history of the Jews before Christ….” Uh, oh, I think.

From this point on Kris gives an anthropological interpretation of the Bible as in the above poem. The twelve disciples are the twelve signs of the zodiac, the four Gospels are the four seasons, the “sun” of god and so on. He then launches into how the Bible came to be, giving the a picture of the evolution of Christianity from the Torah to Christ to the Gospels to John and Paul, all the way to explaining how the King James Version was used to confirm the divine right of kings. This took no less than ONE HOUR. I kid you not. While Kris is obviously studied, but like many of us, he had difficulty explaining such a complicated theological theory in a clear, coherent fashion. Put it this way, the poem above is more effective than his answer.
People start leaving. It is WAY above their heads. At one point, when he is telling the story of Paul’s talking ass on the way to Damascus, I think I said, “Holy Shit,” pun intended. Kris is finally interrupted and everyone is asked to leave, that’s it, that’s the end. The Multi-cultural Affairs dean looks pissed, kids are disappointed and confused and the event comes to a schreeching halt.

As this example shows I can’t help to think in the new millelinum that KRS’ music is better than his lectures, but Chuck D’s lectures are better than his music.

PEACE!

ARM 18

“I think at the same token I just felt like he was and is wise enough to see the big picture. I know that violence started long before KRS.. come on .. but i also know FOR A FACT that this is a copycat society. I know that when someone does something and gets noteriety for it that everyone is going to follow suit. ”

But Kim, here’s the thing, when KRS acted violent, he took alot of heat to the point where it split his fanbase and more or less affected his career so I cannot see how it inspired people to do the same thing, I was speaking with old skool MC’s and they were schooling how Kris wasn’t the 1st person to shit like that, that shit used to happen daily in the park jams and I can name you some incidents…..I think the reason Kris fans were bugged out by the article, was because of the way it was written and your choice of words…you stated that you got love for guy, but it wasn’t evident in the article especially when it was filled with statement:

“KRS-One - Hip-Hop Sucks Because of You!

KRS-One is a FUCKING LIAR.

WORD, this dude KRS-One is a fraud”

So course readers would wonder DAMN DOES HE REALLY HATE THE DUDE THAT MUCH???

ARM…I know what you mean, it’s like I was watch some old Kris interviews from back in the dayz, and was so down to earth, straight to the point with his answers…Nowdays he’s get so long winded with his answers…but the I thing is I actually can still understand like 90% of the stuff he’s saying which is why I wind up simplifying it to listeners…but it’s that not everybody has the patience to discet long winded comment which can easily be simplified…Sometimes me and my boyz thing, we just need to bumrush and kidnap Kris, and dump him back on the streets so he can be that down to earth cat we loved him as

Yes, I believe that I was reacting more to the sentiment that Kris ruined Hip-Hop with this random act of violence, than to the full story itself. I am NOT a KRS-ONE groupie; I haven’t purchased one of his LPs since probably the last time I purchased a UMCs LP. Also, I live in Chicago. I’m worried about anyone finding me using an IP address. I MAY have spoke hastily when I said I’d toss my UMCs albums. I actually enjoy both of them to this day, but, I am interested in how much they would fetch on eBAy, not that I’d sell them off or anything. After the initial furor created by this post, I welcome more articles from Kool Kim. Peace.

please kim, write more. there needs to be much more first person testimony in rap history. and your ethics in this piece are solid–you felt empathy for prince be and you didn’t have to.

thanks yo.

aiight .. at some point in this particular peice i wrote and the subsequent post I realized there was a fatal mistake that Robbie and I made in doing this.
Hold up .. I made in doing this.

Instead of making my first topic a synopsis of what i would be writing about, giving the reader the opportunity to understand the context of the articles it just sounds like i got HATE for kris.

when you read the next one I have completed you will really understand where I am coming from with these articles.

Also you will note that on occassion i use terms like LOL and different internet jargon things like these…… to give the reader a better sense of the timber and attitude of my writing. I have been chatting online for over 10 years now so I am a net junkie. But belive me my conversation is much different.
I’m trying to do something different with media by soeaking froma place of honesty and yet being open to the same criticisms that i might levy,

Think of how many writers, a bunch of faceless nobodies can write a career altering article about a person and have NO credentials what so ever. Or think of the people that will read my post .. from thier homes and pontificate on a rack of things about my career and me under an assumed name.

that’s not what i am doing. Keep reading and it will be apparent. Even Krs is going to feel me on this. All of you will and those that don’t .. don’t matter

All,

KRS aint had a hit in over 10 years and we’re here discussing something that happened back when I was wearin’ Carhartts, which is just a testiment to how great he really is whether you like it or not.

I think we all respect KRS but some of you, including Kool Kim, sound like you have gone too far in your idolization.

KRS is my favorite MC ever, but not so much that I gotta agree with everything the nigga says or does (No different that Martin Luther King, Maclom X, Elijah Muhammad, Bobby Seale, Huey P. Newton, Kwame Ture, etc.). That being said, I DON’T GOVE A FUCK ABOUT PM DAWN! … and, obviously, neither did Kris.

Ice Cube, you gotta show some respect for as he may be commercial but he was indeed a Crip and at the time in question he was considered the King of the West. No way Kris could throw him off stage if he ever expected to go out to Cali again.

PRT and King Sun, who the hell wants to have beef with the entire 5% Nation? You better talk that shit out. Not even Zulu would want that beef and they’re the only ones in any position to take it on.

X-Clan, say what you want but them cats was very deep at the time because of the Blackwatch Movement.

The point is you have to respect power. The problem with PM Dawn is that they had no credibility or power. They may have even had a point, but having a point is not enough, you need power too!

This was nothing more than a case of survival of the fittest.

As far as Kool Kim, I’m just happy to see you’re still alive sun! I wasn’t into the UMC’s that much but One To Grow On was my shit! I don’t know who was producing your music but the production was second to none; if it’s you, then I’d much rather hear your next beat than another article trying tear down someone that I think we all respect. After all, it wouldn’t be too hard to start tearing down the UMC’s if somebody wanted to.

Peace!

http://forums.sohh.com/showpost.php?p=1055134817&postcount=19

Dude can’t find you with your IP address–he can find your ISP (and general vague location based on that) and that’s about it. To get your individual info he’d have to have the ISP give it to him and the only way that would happen is with a court order. Chill out.

Prince B deserved a smack for having crap hair to be honest.

Look forward to the next one Kim

This is hot. Props to Robbie for bringing Kim on board (no Brokeback.)

Its fun to see these hardcore Hiphop defenders of the faith back Kris to the end, despite the fact his ass is currently licensing his music in Jeep commercials…

keep it real, eh?

krs 1 a bronx bully? nah! krs is the best thing to happen to hip hop period. this crap happened over 10 years ago. krs has been rocking for over 20 years. yeah criminal minded came out in ‘86. when krs put ‘feel the vibe’ on the flip side of ‘we in there’ the whole beef with pm dawn was over. he came correct to the party like a man and finished it on record. ps krs coming to toronto canada september 17, 2006. where is pm dawn performing at?

Everyone seems to be missing the point about the tracert. Yeah it is a little far fetched, and yes, the end of the trace would be the service provider — but the meat and potatoes of the comment was the inappropriateness of the violent reaction to an empty criticism.

Kool Kim — I followed a link from another board to find this story and it is interesting enough to keep me coming back. Keep ‘em coming.

Everyone else — keep these comments coming. The dialog makes the articles WAY more interesting.

All that being said. I had the honor of meeting KRS out west late last year. He was coming through the Seattle area to help promote the launch of a new group (check out Common Market if you haven’t heard them yet). I agree that it seems that KRS may have lost sight of common folk’s perspective of his ranting, but he is saying some real shit. Him saying “I AM HIPHOP” is not any different that a Christian saying “I AM CHRIST.” (I think I’m going to start making bracelets that say What Would HipHop Do!) Anyway, my impression of Kris can be summed up by one experience. When the Common Market camp told him where to set up his merchandise table he said that he wasn’t going to sell merchandise. If people could buy his merchandise they might not buy the Common Market merchandise. Agree with his politics, actions, or strange commentary — the man is trying to support and build the HipHop community.

That’s my 2 cents.

“I PLAY KRS AND THROW THAT ASS OFF THE STAGE”

” who the hell wants to have beef with the entire 5% Nation?”

Haha, word up on that. You’d have crazy amount of brothers after you if you start shit with the Gods and the Earths.

What the hell is wrong with you blasting on KRS-One like that. That’s KRS, muthafucka! That’s “Criminal Minded”, “J.I.M.M.Y.”, “My Philosophy”, “Black Cop”, etc,etc,etc. So what he threw Prince Be’s ass off the stage, he deserved it if he slandered the likes of KRS and Chuck D in Details. What’s wrong with you?

What have the UMCs done compare to the magnitude of KRS-One’s accomplishments? You wanna talk about punk shit, let’s talk about you jumping on the Native Tongue bandwagon 1st lp, then jumping on the mid 90’s backpack/beatdown bandwagon 2nd lp.

I say that to infer that every artist has done things that can be deemed questionable by others. But by your own logic, for first rapping like De La Soul, then like Das Efx, Hip-hop sucks because of YOU, Kool Kim.

KRS is well-accomplished many times over, but I don’t think that someone’s accomplisments give them the right to throw a dude off of the stage for something that he said. KRS is the same brother that was talking about “Self Destruction” and how we gotta “Stop The Violence”, but he’s going to storm on stage and get into a physical confrontation with some guys over words, of all things. Not even a threat of violence to him or something, but WORDS. I have to say, in my opinion, that’s pushing it a bit too far.

Funny shit is that I was there too. I used to roll with Leaders of the New School. This article is true. In fact, I remember seeing Kris coming in the door with his crew. They weren’t going to let them in. They talked their way in. I asked T Money recently if MTV was taping, he said no. Ha, in fact, I still have pics from that show!

LZHRD
you said:
“What the hell is wrong with you blasting on KRS-One like that. That’s KRS, muthafucka! That’s “Criminal Minded”, “J.I.M.M.Y.”, “My Philosophy”, “Black Cop”, etc,etc,etc. So what he threw Prince Be’s ass off the stage, he deserved it if he slandered the likes of KRS and Chuck D in Details. What’s wrong with you?

What have the UMCs done compare to the magnitude of KRS-One’s accomplishments? You wanna talk about punk shit, let’s talk about you jumping on the Native Tongue bandwagon 1st lp, then jumping on the mid 90’s backpack/beatdown bandwagon 2nd lp.

I say that to infer that every artist has done things that can be deemed questionable by others. But by your own logic, for first rapping like De La Soul, then like Das Efx, Hip-hop sucks because of YOU, Kool Kim. ”

conversely.. what have YOU done compared to the magnitude of UMC’s?? You wanna talk about punk shit then let’s talk about you and the various internet THUGGS that talk tough behind a computer. You so called tough guys that wore polka dots when kwame was out, day glo shirts when we came out, Africa peices when jungle came out.

and by chance if u DIDN’T experience this. then my dude .. u should shut the fuck up.. cause that means u have NO frame of refrence for this hip hop experience other than as a fringe market.

aaah but never that my friend. U have EVERY RIGHT to your opinion and your perspective. Enjoy mine baby boy I aint tryna hurt anyone..

i swear i am starting to get the vibe that some of yall are writing back with teary eyes and the whole shit… i can damn near hear you sniffling and choking up over here.. LOL

I know i shit on your hero in your mind.. but belive me when u see the next shit u will begin to relize this aint a fucking source column,, this is a bigger type of discussion.
this aint some jerry springer, riki lake shit.. it’s about dialouge.

So to all those who think KRS is some great intellectual, what did you take away from a BDP record that enhanced your life? Really. What did you really learn from a PE or X Clan record? What did they really do except capitalize on black nationalism as a gimmick?

That was an image. It sold records. Period. If you wanted to be ‘taught’ you either found real teachers or opened a book. All that said, those records served as a catalyst to make people interested in ‘consciousness,’ but I’m not sure how genuine it was since a few years later the Africa medallions were replaced with weed leafs — by 90% of the people buying those records.

I don’t agree with Prince B’s statements exactly, but I don’t know that they’re totally off-base. And that’s a big problem with Hip-Hop ‘heads.’ You hold up a fucking rapper as if he’s infallible; you hold up Chuck D as if he’s Noam Chomsky or some shit; like you have to take a side in everything. Maybe they’re both right in some respects.

And it’s beyond KRS making Stop the Violence or Self-Destruction. What about being a self-proclaimed humanist? Humanists stress the good in human nature, so if KRS wasn’t full of shit (which he is) he would’ve stepped to him and asked for clarification about the statements, and *THEN* looked into other alternatives. But even if Prince was just being ignorant so what? It’s like starting a fight because someone called you a name. Grow the fuck up.

Honestly the way people reacted to this thread shows the whole ‘consciousness’ era of Hip-Hop had no real effect on people. People reacted by calling Kool Kim a faggot, doubting his ‘realness’ and other assorted bullshit. Just the same old ignorance and fighting over REAL DUMB SHIT. If you hold up a rapper as your symbol of education and enlightenment that’s a FUCKING SHAME. Get a real role model.

As for people shitting on Kool Kim. I’d much rather listen to Blue Cheese than anything KRS has done in the past ten years.

bedouin, like I mentioned early the uproar in the this article was mainly due to the way it was written….most people acknowledge that Kris was wrong in the actions he took and were appreciative in the way Kim explained what really happened that night, but the article didn’t come across as construstive critisism for certain wrong doings of Kris, it came across as hate especially when applying generalised statements like:

“KRS-One - Hip-Hop Sucks Because of You!

KRS-One is a FUCKING LIAR.

WORD, this dude KRS-One is a fraud”

As well as implications that this indcident led to cats bumrushing each other ar HipHop shows after that incident when in fact that is so not true. When bumrushing peoples sets and violence even goes back to the park jam days of HipHop.

Kevin,

Yeah, that part I agree with you on. There was a little too much hyperbole in the whole write up, and I really doubt any one man can be blamed for why Hip-Hop sucks now.

I was just kind of upset at what I saw as blind defense of KRS in this thread.

No Kim, you should shut the fuck up and stop copping pleas, throwing rocks at famous people to get your blog writings noticed. As far as what I’ve accomplished.. hold your tongue.

All these negative and bullshit defences of KRS - bet everyone on here wishes they were there to witness what happened though.

Looking forward to more stories from Kim - i wanna know about Wild Pitch!

to go further:
What KRS was doing was sending a message to the hiphop community and world that muthafuckas like PM Dawn can not waltz into hip-hop and denounce our greats without consequences. Prince Be deserved that asswhipping and anyone else that steps out of line like that. “Public Enemy is making mountains out of molehills”? Dude, he should have been drug out into the street and shot for that alone. If a pussywillow like Prince Be can come out in the press and lambast pillars like KRS and Chuck D then anyone could have their way with us without consequences. It’s about respect. Shit, moves like the one KRS made are why hip-hop stayed strong as long as it did before MTV took over. Get it right.

“I was just kind of upset at what I saw as blind defense of KRS in this thread. ”

But bedouin, by the way it was written, it didn’t it came across like Kim just being critical over this one particular incident, it came across like was shitting on KRS and his legacy period especially with those statements I highlighted which is why his fans got defensive like they did, cos hell even I thought that Kim hated Kris, until I read his myspace page as well as his comments…so they were just reacting to the way it was written…even whilst acknowledging his career mistakes as well as his comtributions and achievements to HipHop.

Also LZRHD, like someone else on other posts pointed out, PM Dawn in that interview and other outlets were making cynical commentry towards the “pro-black/conscious” movement and even at one point claimed “there’s no such thing as racism” which is significant towards the “Public Enemy are making mountain outta molehills” hence making it even more harsh…

LZHRD..
that’s the last time i am going to let u say shit about me.. when i find you i am going to fuck u up.
I’m a pillar in HIP HOP I made sacrifices in this music that your pussy ass could never begin to measure.
I been apart of hip hop in ways u could never imagine.
and just so u don’t get it twisted.. don’t forget.. blue cheese was fucking 15 years ago.. I aint that lil 18 year old kid son.. I’m on some UFC shit son.. what u think.. i’ma sing blue cheese nigga.. no i’ma stick my fucking fingers into your eye sockets and grab your fucking flailing arms and put u into a an arm lock and break your shit.

now that shit is stupid. But in my opinion .. based on what you are stating i have every right to fuck u up. Your on the net talking MAD greazy right now..directly to me. There isn’t even room for misinterpetation or anything. I KNOW your disrespecting me. And it would STILL sound STUPID and BE OVERKILL if i was on it like that. In fact someone will read the first part of what i wrote.. and not even get this far and reply about how foul i am for saying this to a fan of Hip Hop.. that is how OD of a statement the above was..
and yet.. u are gonna actually say that shit is kool.. that shit is justifiable??

Come the fuck on homie.. use some COMMON SENSE.. how in the fucking world could i say that KRS ONE fucked up ALL OF HIP HOP while u got dudes out like D4L and shit like that?? HOW..
u see that is what they call sensationalism.. and yeah i used it. My dude got a message board.. and guess what if i am correct this is possibly the most read topic he has had on here yet. because my writing style.. which … is so lathargic and clumsy.. but muggs can’t stop reading the shit..
cause it’s entertaining and thought provoking.

but again.. this is going to be my last remark on this topic cause i want u to just feel what i write next. U’ll get it.. more and more..

and when u do.. then come back and use the same energy u used to ride Kris’ dick to give me my due for what i am establishing.

Why dis KRS on the last 10 years of his music and compare it to something that came out in the golden age of hip hop. Compare apples to apples and not raisens to watermelons. Hip hop is an evolving culture which is now fueled mainstream media and big business. KRS saw this happening way back when and decided to take his music in another direction where he could have creative control over his product, like any real artist wants to have and not change his music, style or opinions just to stay current with what bet, vh1, mtv and ‘urban’ radio wants to push down our throats. Sometimes the artist will take a hit in the pocket book because of this and lose fans who follow trends, but KRS/BDP were trend setters in their prime. KRS helped create a positive hip hop image and mind revolution when he realized that he could have (and had) a major influence on the minds of millions (with limited resources and financial backing). If the high budget cut and paste artists of today had the balls to take control of the music they put out instead of some college degree, marketing A&R dumbass telling them what to to do appeal to the mainstream, rap music would not suck as much as it does today. BDP/KRS will forever have classic joints in musical history comparable to zeppelin and hendrix, true ground breaking music that opened the flood gates for todays cats to collect the papes.

Kool Kim is right about one thing, I’ve never seen so many responses to a post on this site; but I really hope he brings it on his follow ups because I think I might’ve liked this site better when it was a little bit less popular.

This is starting to resemble SOHH.

“LZHRD..
that’s the last time i am going to let u say shit about me.. when i find you i am going to fuck you up” - Kool Kim

LOL
AND you’re a hypocrite!
You called me an internet thug, now you’re gonna “find me and fuck me up”?
What are you, like 40? Aren’t you too old to be acting like this?Ok, let’s work under your logic: How’re you gonna find me, man? Get off it.

You wrote that KRS ruined hip-hop and those were your words. You’re slandering KRS to get noticed on your first blog post, and that shit is flaw. Get noticed on your own merit, since you falsely consider yourself a pillar. Your “sacrifices” pale in comparison to those of the likes of KRS and PE, so show some muthafuckin respect instead of only looking out for yourself. If you didn’t exist, the entire game would still be the same.

Stop dry snitchin’, grow some nuts and be a man.

I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

DUDE GIVE ME SOMETHING TO REMEMBER YOU BY

WHAT DID YOU DO? PLEASE EXCUSE ME.

Build and Destroy, was a response to PRT, not x-clan. This is why the name of the song is in direct relation to a 5%lesson(build or destroy. Kris and Wise never had a ‘long debate’ about anything on a college speaking tour, in fact the closest that came was wise and some of the gods and earths, showing up at a lecture that kris was giving, but there was no ‘debate’ about anything philosophical or otherwise. The god Divine(prt’s d.j) was waiting infact, to set it on the brother. All was peace though, no violence.

Okay i just went to YouTube and typed in umcs and saw yall’s videos. i do not remember yall at all. and i knew every mc back then. Why you riding KRSone’s dick to get the notoriety you did not acheive in the past? What you trying to do, blast on KRSone to some 20-year old white boys graspin at straws to learn about hip hop and to see a WWF monkey show between mcs? trust me they don’t take this shit as seriously as you do. you ought to be shame hiding behind your computer with this bullshit. KRS is the reason hip hop sucks? Dude that is so fucking disrespectful. You went too far with that shit. Air out your beef but don’t blast this disrespectful shit on the internet to relive your past. It’s over. Move on. and you weren’t even in pmdawn. what the fuck you care for?

…..and don’t be riding on OTHER famous people dick’s either on this site. name checking and shit. post about what you did in the 80s and 90s.

LZRHD…

it’s apparent that KRS One is your lord and savior ..

I better chill before U call Jihad on me.

“Build and Destroy, was a response to PRT, not x-clan”

Are you sure? Build And Destroy had lines like “You can’t be human if you’re music’s boomin’ anti-human” and X-Clan had been getting at him for being a Humanist. Wouldn’t that be serving as a response to X-Clan, then?

No,
it’s apparent to me that KRS One is YOUR lord and savior.

You wrote the blog.

jlh..
keep in mind.. Your a viewer.. I’m a do-er

do something.. anything.. make your mark in this world to any extent past your moms computer.

Like it or not.. unlike you.. I’m his PEER not his fan.

and if i wanted to revive my career.. off KRS .. then i would just battle the dude.. which still wouldn’t amount to much cause he about as relevant in hip hop as I am now a days… that would be a wasted win
If i wanted to get shine.. I woulda shit on 50 or on Jay Z or Nas for all that.

I aint wanna respond anymore but that shit kills me.. how yall could blogg whatever bullshit u got in your mind with no credentials whatsoever.. Your not even a HAZ BEEN.. your a NEVER WAS and a NEVER GONNA BE.. and your tight at me cause I aint got enough status (in your mind) to speak on your Archtype.

shit is sad really..

Point blank KRS-ONE is a human being. All of you have a misconception that a human being has to follow one way. If that was the case, we would never have the light bulb to be invented.
Without KRS-ONE this hip-hop vechicle might of never happened? I cant say that with certainty, but i know his contribution has helped it alot.
Regardless of what he does now and what he has done in the past, he speaks his mind.
Just like you speak your mind on this forum. Just respect that he still does what he believes in.
He believes in hip-hop, and whatever form that it evolves around him.

PEACE

Dude I am a satellite design engineer and have designed satellites like XM which blasts your shit on the radio. and you don’t see me riding on the coattails of somebody else’s work to get praise. i stand on my own merit which is what disturbs me about people like you. I love hip hop and I think you should show some respect to the artform and culture you proclaim to be apart of.

magnetic god….Build & Destroy was a response to X-Clan, cos if you list all the critisisms they gave Kris from interviews, to the subliminal shots on their 1st LP, KRS addresses them all in the track….

“Kris and Wise never had a ‘long debate’ about anything on a college speaking tour, in fact the closest that came was wise and some of the gods and earths, showing up at a lecture that kris was giving, but there was no ‘debate’ about anything philosophical or otherwise. The god Divine(prt’s d.j) was waiting infact, to set it on the brother. All was peace though, no violence. ”

Also magnetic god, they did have a debate it may not have been serious or anything, but it was a debate, and Wise Intelligent even acknowledged it in an interview with Cedric Muhammad http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=1371

I’m trying to find the rational in your post jlh

people like me what?

I wrote an article for a website that in truth dissed me.
I wrote a RETROSPECTIVE.. about a historical event in hip hop.
I wrote MY account of it.

I don’