The Kenny Parker Show – Part 2
Tuesday October 03rd 2006,
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Following on from Part 1, Kenny discusses the aftermath of the PM Dawn beatdown….

Kenny Parker: So the next day, Jive Records calls up and they’re like “The press wants to talk to you, Kris. Come down to Jive”. When we got there, the mood was really somber. Everybody was upset, and I remember seeing Busta Rhymes – I guess he was there with Tribe [Called Quest], I dunno what reason Busta had to be at Jive that day, but he was there – and he was like, “Yo, you are the greatest!” He was hugging Kris, and he was shaking him so hard he was crying! Busta was crying tears, and he was hugging Kris and he was shaking him so hard that they knocked over a computer off of somebody’s desk and break it on the ground! [I burst out laughing] At this point they had done “Scenario”, so I guess Jive didn’t really care, but they broke a computer that day. [chuckles] It was just the illest thing, ’cause it looked like a classic video: sucker MC’s rhymin’, super MC comes along and knocks him off and starts rhymin’. It looked like that.

Jive was like “every press in the country and overseas wants to know what happened”. It was MTV, it was all Europe press, every magazine…everybody was like “What happened? Why did you do this?” And I think that’s where the problem started. When Kris said “PM Dawn tried to diss me so I went up there and showed ‘em who the Teacher is”, that’s when all the backlash started. And let me say for the record – the backlash was enormously negative for him. ENORMOUS! You know how people say “All publicity is good publicity”? I’m gonna say “No” to that. I think Kris would’ve been better off saying, “Yo, I was just there and it was wack, and I was drunk and we just went up there and I just wanted to livin’ up the party!” He might’ve been better-off saying that then “PM Dawn tried to diss me so that’s why I went up there”. Because then it became: “Hold up, you’re the guy who made ‘Stop The Violence’. You’re a hypocrite. You’re a fraud!” And from that point on, people started saying “Kris is a hypocrite. Says one thing and does another”.

I think Kris is two kinds of MC’s. He’s a battle rapper, and he came-up battling, and he’s had a lot of numerous battles that people know about – and don’t even know about – AND he’s also a conscious rapper who tries to talk about upliftment of our race, the government, and things goin’ on. I think there’s no way you can be both without being contradictory, in my opinion. The problem Kris has had over the years is that when he starts talking about the government, about “Black man rise up”, people start saying “Yo, he’s too preachy. Edutainment was too preachy. Whatever happened to Criminal Minded? Why won’t he make ’9MM’? Why won’t he rhyme like that?” Then when he makes battle records, then the “conscious” people go “Oh, he’s contradictory. How’s he talkin’ about snapping a MC’s neck? He’s supposed to be talkin’ about ‘Stop The Violence’!” The problem is that Kris would’ve had to leave one of those behind. Either he would’ve had to say “I’m not a battle rapper. I ain’t making those kind of records ever again”, or he would’ve had to say “I’m a battle rapper. I’m not making conscious records ever again”. Every album he has, he’ll do both. He’ll talk about things things going on in society, then he’ll make records talkin’ about how he’ll crush an MC.

I don’t have a problem with that, personally.

I don’t have a problem with it either, but in his career I’ve noticed that either which way he goes, the other side is gonna call him contradictory. That’s the price that he has to pay for being both. Knowing Kris, he really is both! He really likes battling and he write rhymes about rappers, even though he has no beef with them. He’ll just write a song about somebody and then just never use it. He’s just that kinda guy. And also he likes to talk about the government and Malcolm X – he’s that too. If you look at By All Means Necessary…that record “Stop The Violence” – everybody points to that, but on that same album on “My Philosophy”, he says “KRS-One is the kind of guy who lead a crew/right up to your face and diss you!” That’s there in clear English! No one hears that part, they just hear “stop the violence”, so if he takes a run-up with a crew they gonna say “Where that come from? He’s not like that!” when he’s tellin’ you “Yeah, I am!”

The biggest thing that hurt Kris with that PM Dawn thing is not even the incident, but it’s that Source article. That article caused us so much drama that year. The year of ’92, into ’93, was like “damage control year”, from that Source article.

He was callin’ out names big time in there.

Yeah, there’s two things in that article that caused us a lotta problems. One is that Kris was like “You know what? I’m tired of everybody. I’m tired of X-Clan, I’m tired of Ice Cube, I’m tired of PRT!” I don’t remember what Poor Righteous Teachers did that pissed Kris off. X-Clan I remember, and Ice Cube – I can’t remember for the life of me what Poor Righteous Teachers did! [laughs] Everyone that he mentioned in that article at some point that year tried to step up, and we had to deal with them. Also the second part that was a big thing was when Kris said “I am hip-hop”. That is the biggest polarization of his audience…and I think that’s a big misconception, because Kris says “I’m hip-hop. I’m not doing hip-hop – I am hip-hop. We ALL are hip-hop. We’re writing hip-hop as it goes along. There’s no rules! It’s not like a basketball player in the NBA and you have rules that you follow in the game. The hip-hop game – we’re writing the rules as we go along – so we ALL are hip-hop! I’m hip-hop, you’re hip-hop. We’re not doing it – we ARE it.” Even in that article he said “It’s not just me. Treach is hip-hop too.” But no one heard that part. They just heard him say “I’m hip-hop and I’m the greatest of all time!” and people was just like “This dude has lost his mind”. The funny thing was, I heard Vinny from Naughty By Nature said he was mad at that statement, and Kris said Treach was hip-hop!

He was just mad ’cause Kris didn’t say his name as well!

[laughs] Maybe! Vin is my man and I love Vinroc, but it got back to us that Vinny was mad too. Over the years a lotta people was mad. Biggie Smalls was mad over that! Biggie Smalls was like “How can KRS-One say he’s hip-hop? That’s bullshit”. But I think everyone’s missing what he was saying. Between him saying he’s hip-hop and him saying he’s stepping to the other rappers – yo, that hurt us. I think Kris lost half his audience that year. All the albums Kris had done prior to Sex and Violence went gold. At that time, Kris usually sold around 600,000 records or so, on the average. Sex and Violence sold like 300 [thousand].

Maybe that was because it was such a hardcore album – it was just raw.

I think that was part of it, but it was such a negative backlash. Every magazine you opened up: “KRS-One is a sucker. He’s a phony!”. I think a lotta people were like “You know what? Fuck him!” That whole year of ’92 was damage control. Now the thing with X-Clan – that was turning into some big deal. It was getting back to us – we had mutual people that knew both camps – that “Yo, they said this” and it would go back them “Yo, Kris said this”, and it was gonna be a big deal, and Afrika Bambatta called a meeting up in Bronx River. He was like, “This is not good. I’m cool with both groups, and both of y’all are really talking about the same thing. We can’t have a divide and conquer situation going on”. So Afrika Bambatta calls us up to Bronx, and I remember that X-Clan had brought guns up there – they thought it was gonna be like an ambush or something. Willie D, who’s down with us, is president of a chapter of five in Zulu Nation, so we have a real close affiliation. So if dudes from Brooklyn is coming all the way up to Bronx River to have a meeting with some dudes that got beef that are down with Zulu Nation – they must’ve thought it was an ambush or some drama. Security that was there was saying that X-Clan had guns and the whole nine, they told ‘em to leave the guns outside and come inside.

I didn’t know they rolled like that.

I didn’t know they rolled like that either! So we had the meeting, and everything was squashed. By the time “Build and Destroy” came out that beef was already squashed. Kris was like “I’m down to squash the beef with X-Clan, but let me say my piece though. Then we good”. Here’s the third thing that caused us a lotta beef – he said something about the 5%ers that article too. 5%ers was furious! Kool Kim said “KRS did say nothing when 5%ers and King Sun was gonna fuck him up!” First of all – King Sun is our people from back in Latin Quarters days. We know King Sun really well. So King Sun came to one of our shows, and he was mad over the whole article and he wanted to talk to Kris about it. I don’t know if he actually got to talk to Kris, but he had a long conversation with Willie D about it. I wasn’t there at that moment, but Willie D told me after the fact that King Sun was mad, but he didn’t come there on some “Yo! I’mma punch Kris in the face!”. He came in on some “Yo, Kris. Why you say that? What’s the deal?”, and they squashed it up. But let me say, the second part is – people, you can’t just roll-up on us like that either. It’s not like “OK, I feel like punching KRS-One in the face. Here I go, I’m just going down to the show”. It wasn’t really like, because we had people with us too. You know what I mean? We had a show and a bunch of 5%ers came to our show too, and they was waitin’ outside and there was like thirty of ‘em, and they was mad as hell around this time too. But one of the leaders of their group knew Will – again – and they came upstairs and they talked to Kris and somehow they smoothed it out and it was all good.

All these little things were happening, week after week, after that article. I don’t know if this is true or not, but somebody told us that Lord Jamar from Brand Nubians was trying to organise all the 5%ers in hip-hop against KRS. I heard that he went to GURU, he went to Rakim, and they was like “Nah, Kris is our man. We’re not getting that deep with it”. But it was brought to our attention that Lord Jamar was trying to do this. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but it came to us like that.

So a week or so after this article comes out, Kris has a lecture in Jersey, and this is one of the first times I ever went to one of his lectures. All of a sudden, someone stands up in the crowd and goes: “You’re wrong, Blackman! You’re wrong!” So they shine the light on him and it’s Wise Intelligence from Poor Righteous Teachers! So first people was like “Shut up! Shut up! Sit down, he’s doing a lecture!” but Kris was like “Nah nah nah, let him say his piece!” So they get back and forth into a little debate. It was like ten minutes! I guess PRT’s stance was more like X-Clan’s: “How you gonna call yourself a humanist? You’re selling-out the Black race”. If I recall, that was kinda his stance. And this is on film – Kris has the tape! I don’t know what he did with it, but it was on tape though.

So were they yelling at each other?

Wise Intelligence was in the crowd – he was about maybe ten or fifteen rows back from the podium, so was yelling and Kris was talking on the mic – but it was heated! I remember getting mad because the whole time the other dude – Culture Freedom – he’s heated, he’s pacing back and forth. So finally Wise Intelligence goes” “You said in The Source that we were soft. What about PRT is soft?” to Kris. And Kris says “That guy right there!” and he points to Culture Freedom. [we both laugh] Right when he said that, I grabbed the microphone and I said “This debate is cool, but Culture Freedom if you’ve got problems we can settle it!” I remember saying it, and everybody jumps down my throat [in an official-sounding voice] “No! No! No! This is a college! This is intellectual!” You know, like “Get the fuck outta here” basically, to me! After I said that, then it was like “Aight, everything’s cool”. We did a show in Trenton a week later, right in their neighbourhood. When we got out the limo they was all standing outside, but it was just “What’s up” and we kept it moving. They was upset over that article but it wasn’t like they was gonna rush us. We travelled kinda deep a lot of the time, people don’t really know that. BDP crew was a lot of people at that time, so you couldn’t just run-up on KRS.

I think there’s a misconception in hip-hop that there’s an unwritten rule that back in the day all battles was on wax, and the rule was that everything was kept on wax. That was not the rule! It just so happened that it was like that, but the other crews had CREWS! So you didn’t want to run-up on them. For example, Eric B. & Rakim had a CRAZY crew! A NOTORIOUS crew!

Rich Porter and all them.

Yeah! All those dudes that was on the back on the album – those dudes were serious! Now if you was like “You know what? I wanna battle Rakim. I’ll run-up on Rakim” it wasn’t like that! You couldn’t just run-up on Rakim like that! Same with Big Daddy Kane. He was running with all those Brooklyn dudes – Hawk and all them guys. As a matter of fact, a lot of the fights that used to go on in Union Square and Latin Quarter was these Brooklyn dudes that used to run with Kane!

And they’d be fighting guys from the Bronx and different neighborhoods?

Yeah, they was always fighting guys from the Bronx. They was always fighting Chris Lighty and the Violators! [laughs] Back then, Chris Lighty was a Violator and he was a thug. You couldn’t even run-up on Red Alert! You think Red Alert is just the coolest guy in the world, and I love Red Alert – that’s my brother – but back in the day, if you ran-up on Red Alert like “Yo! Play my record!” you was gonna have problems! You follow me? Kane had a crew, BDP had a crew, Rakim had a crew…even Chuck D. If you ran-up on Public Enemy – those Security of the First World, the S1W’s was serious! They weren’t just marching around!

They knew kung-fu and shit!

Yeah! Professor Griff was a black belt in karate! Professor Griff will whip your ass! [laughs] Because dudes had respect – plus everybody was cool with each other – like KRS, Rakim, Kane…all these people were friends. But it was a mutual respect and dudes had crews. It wasn’t like a fear thing, it wasn’t like you were scarred of their crew, but you knew “If I step to Kane, there’s gonna be a problem”. People always thought battles was just on wax. Like if MC Shan had of decided “You know what? The ‘Bridge Is Over’ was a little too personal. I think I’m gonna kick KRS-One’s ass!” [I start laughing] If the Juice Crew had thought “We’re coming for KRS”, it wasn’t that simple. There would have been a nice little skirmish! I’m not saying we woulda won or lost, I’m saying that it would’ve been a problem. I think a lot of people just think rap was just like “Yo, we’ll battle, and that’s it. It’s just cool, cause nothing’s ever gonna jump off. We’re just gonna battle and that’s the code!” That was not the code! The code was dudes was getting robbed and beat-up and all kind of shit was going on, and if you ran-up on somebody tryin’ to battle them, chances are their entourage – “entourages gone wild” – chances are, not the rapper but the people that’s with them, is probably gonna kick your ass!

Or even steal your equipment.

Yeah, even back in the day with Flash and all them, they had a crew! You ran-up and try to steal Grandmaster Flash‘s turntables – you got a problem! And Zulu Nation? Forget about it! Don’t even THINK about stepping to Afrika Bambatta! That’s the last thing on earth you want to do. And Bam is the coolest guy and he talks about peace – Afrika Bambatta is one of the coolest guys I ever met. Don’t run-up on Zulu Nation and Bambatta. And because everyone had crews, I think that kept a lotta battles from not being battles. Plus you’ve gotta understand, back in the day if you lost a battle – your career was over! It’s not like now. Now dudes will make a couple of diss records on a mixtape and then they keep it moving. If Kane had of tooken out Rakim in a battle? Rakim was over! His credibility was over. I think that had a lot to do with it as well – dudes had a lot to lose.

But back to that PM Dawn incident…if Kris knew in hindsight? He wouldn’t have went to that thing at all. People say “Why didn’t he step to Ice Cube? Why didn’t he step to these other people like he stepped to PM Dawn?” After that PM Dawn incident and the amount of heat that Kris got – he wasn’t in the position to step to nobody! He had to really chill after that. After that thing, you probably coulda said anything you want about KRS for like a year, and he might’ve had to eat that, because there was so much flack. I can’t even begin to describe to you…everywhere we went…we went overseas to promote the album – nobody was even talking about “You have a new album out”, nothing. It was “PM Dawn!” People was talking – we needed a translator – we was in Japan, we didn’t know what they were saying, it was just “Duh duh duh duh PM Dawn duh duh duh duh!” We was like “Ohhh shit!” 90% of the time I was standing right next to Kris, so I saw all of the drama. If you was there at the club at that time? Then you was with it. If there was a thousand people there – 900 of them was like “This is the greatest thing I’ve ever seen”. But after you read the [Source] article, if you wasn’t there and you just read what people said and the you read Kris saying “I am hip-hop”…people was just like “Fuck him!” And you know what else? MTV was like “You know what Kris? You’re banned from MTV forever!” Cause it was their party and PM Dawn was their guy!

How long did that last?

Kris’ attitude was like “You didn’t play me records anyway, so fuck MTV!” was always his stance anyway. But they didn’t play no KRS records until “Rapture (Step Into A World)”. That was in ’97, so it took about five years for MTV to get past that. Kris was always an underground rapper anyway, but MTV was furious. That incident hurt Kris more than it helped him, in my opinion. But it happened.

Still to come: The third and final part of this interview, where Kenny talks about his production work and massive collection of BDP demo tapes….

X-Clan featuring KRS-One - Speak The Truth [Return From Mecca, Suburban Noize, 2006]


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Wow…the MTV ban really did hurt KRS. KRS may have said MTV didn’t play his videos, but his stuff was on heavy rotation on YO all the time. Same with his affiliates like Mad Lion etc. Wow, that must have hurt big time.

Comment by Finally 10.03.06 @

Man you really got a good site, with a lot of good content. This was a real insightful interview. You need to post a little more, but you got thing going.

Comment by MadeInMilwaukee.....Since1979 10.03.06 @

That’s crazy. I never even peeped that Source article until Robbie posted it up here. I was reading the Source back then but it was kinda hard to get at the time so I missed a few issues.

Rakim…yeah he was runnin with all them Brooklyn cats. 50 Cents was on the back of his first LP.

Comment by P-Matik 10.03.06 @

Good insight right there, and Kenny def. said alot to kinda address that delusional theory that everybody was goin’ at eachother on records and hugging in person. Shit was alot more grimy back then than people try to paint it to be.

Also, he debunked some other things, like the perception of certain rappers too- who’da thought X-Clan would STILL come armed to the teeth if somethin’ was about to go down? But that’s what I always say about rappers anyway- as much as some dudes talk all crazy and gutter, there’s alot who DON’T and STILL get down like that if it comes to it.

Good interview- and damn, it ain’t over.

Comment by DanjaMania 10.04.06 @

great read(s)…cantwait for pt3

Comment by ben 10.04.06 @

I sent this to you in an email after the first part, but after reading this I had to post it in your comments section…………….

NOW THIS IS SOME CLASSIC MATERIAL
THIS IS WHAT I LOOK FOR WHEN I READ HIP HOP MAGS AND WEBSITES
THAT I DONT SEE
SHIT THATS INFORMATIVE AS WELL AS ENTERTAINING
I KNEW MOST OF IT BUT KENNY THOUGHT ME A FEW THINGS I DIDNT KNOW ABOUT THAT NIGHT

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
KEEP BRINGING IT LIKE THIS
- AJ WOODSON
(AJ Rok/ JVC FORCE)
PROFESSIONAL HIP HOP JUNKIE

Comment by A. J. WOODSON 10.04.06 @

man this real talk right here….And it’s like I tell my son and the other youngsta’s…we was just as gangsta as they are now, but we didnt need to tell everyone. Shit was poppin off all the time, guns were being drawn, shot were getting fired, but it wasnt about no bullshit, it was real G’s doin real G shit. We didn’t have weed carriers back then, you had an artist and his crew, and the crews were real, not niggas tryin to get on…

‘real G’s walk in silence’

Comment by Lion XL 10.04.06 @

ok you need to do an article on the violaters now!

Comment by sosflex 10.04.06 @

it’s crazy to think how many people were actually angry when krs made the infamous ‘i am hip-hop’ statement. at the time i remember being confused why so many people would take issue with that and it still confuses me today. i didn’t take it that krs was saying he was some sort of all-seeing, all-knowing hip-hop demi-god who had a monopoly on the culture or overall control over it. i took it that he was saying ‘i am hip-hop’ as in this is the culture i’m from, this is the culture i represent and this is the culture that guides me. back in 2002 i had the pleasure of interviewing krs for blues & soul magazine over here in the uk and i asked him to clarify that point – below is his answer :

Blues & Soul: Now for anyone who may still be unclear, what exactly did you mean when you said “I am Hip Hop”?

KRS: “Hip Hop is not an abstract idea or some place way over there. Hip Hop comes from within us. It’s our character. When you really look at it you’re not just doing this thing called Hip Hop, you’re actually BEING Hip Hop. You are the physical manifestation of Hip Hop. If the government was to turn around tomorrow and say that they were coming after all Hip Hoppers, that means they’re coming after YOU! They’re not coming after a concept. They’re not coming after a word they’ve heard on television or radio. They’re coming after a person. When you say ‘I am Hip Hop’ it means that you are joining a collective conscience. Once you know that Hip Hop is not just rap music but breaking, emceeing, graffiti-art, deejaying, beatboxing, street language, knowledge, fashion and entrepreneuralism you transcend being just a rap fan who’s trying to be down. You actually become Hip Hop. You become the culture. Now everybody can’t say that they ARE Hip Hop. You may be a fan of Hip Hop. You might respect Hip Hop. But unless you know your conscious role in a culture that is represented by many different facets other than rap music, then you’re not Hip Hop. I know that when I walk into a place I am Hip Hop. Not because of my recording contribution but because I know that what I do is effecting the very fabric of this culture.”

Comment by Ryan Proctor / Blues & Soul Magazine (UK) 10.04.06 @

Great stuff, can’t wait for part 3

Comment by Jesse 10.04.06 @

truth be told..when I first heard that KRS1 ‘I AM HIP HOP” I definetly thought he was trying to crown himself not just the king of hip hop, but the consciousness as well, meaning he had the right to tell us how think and live hip hop. It wasnt till many years later where he btoke it down in some interview that I began to understand his concept….

Comment by Lion XL 10.04.06 @

cant wait for pt 3, but yeah, now you need to cover baby chris & the violators…

Comment by es-won 10.04.06 @

“man this real talk right here….And it’s like I tell my son and the other youngsta’s…we was just as gangsta as they are now, but we didnt need to tell everyone. Shit was poppin off all the time, guns were being drawn, shot were getting fired, but it wasnt about no bullshit, it was real G’s doin real G shit. We didn’t have weed carriers back then, you had an artist and his crew, and the crews were real, not niggas tryin to get on…”

Lion XL, that reminds me of something Melle Mel said in an interview on http://www.jayquan.com:

JQ : What do you think of the current thug imagery in rap ?

MM : Let me tell you something…thugs and killers dont make records . If you got on the mic back in the days with all that ” im a thug” shit ; the real thug Niggas in the crowd would have fucked you up . None of these Niggas are that hard ….no one is that hard . I remember when the Casanovas would stand in the bathroom of the club and rob everybody that came in the bathroom and dare anybody to call the police. Niggas would be high on angel dust and come in the club with a gun and make the Emcee say their name on the mic . Sometimes you would hear us shoutin out various Niggas on the mic….you might have been like who is that…..it was somebody that would put a hole in your head if you didnt say their name !! People thought that we were down with the Casanovas….we were scared of the Casanovas !!!

Comment by Kevin 10.04.06 @

“Sex and Violence” was dope! Freddie Foxxx repped serious on there. Extra street beats…

Keep doing your thing Robbie.

Comment by Engineer 10.04.06 @

The music was actually better back then because MCs were trying to rhyme better than each other and not spend all the time talking about how they do dirt.

and even if dudes ran in a thoro crew, the brothers rhyming wasn’t stuck on some “i got guns and do shit” all day. fuck – today,

it’s just a mess

Great article, we need more old school interviews for perspective on thsi Hip Hop shit (which we are), and also to talk about TODAY’S shit. fuck it, ‘et’s at least admit it

we’re all haters,

aint nobody happy with the shit today

Peace

Comment by Bang 10.04.06 @

perfect!!! just what i’m looking for in a website. keep up the good work…

Comment by Jaycee 10.04.06 @

Good article. I think KRS 1 fell off not because he got whack on the mic (he didn’t)or that he contradicts himself, which he does, but because he talks too much effin kaaa kaaa. Dude will always be in my top 10 emcee legends on the mike, but otherwise, he’s full of it. Plus, on the “Rapture” remix, how in the eff did he let Puff Daddy body him on his own shit? That was crazy, especially since he was on some underground shit and Puff was/is the king of Bling. Also, whut the deal with him and Ms. Melodie? I know dude was homeless and all but sheesh, she was an effin HUGE she beastie. Dude is just bizarre. Also, dude lived in Brooklyn all his effin life, so why was his first record “South Bronx”? Brookyn cats that we both know and that you guys ran with since like grade school like African Joe on Carlton Avenue didn’t even know BDP was Kris when they first heard it, especially since he was heavily dick riding the Bronx’s knuts. What up with that Kenny? Let’s get into how dude is a lil off. Give us the real soon.

Comment by Combat Jack 10.04.06 @

that’s heat man. i wish you had parts 4-10 coming. greats stuff tho. keep on

Comment by zk 10.04.06 @

I am think(ie. IAM NOT SURE JUST SPECULATING!) that his brothers(Just ICE. etc) were from the bronx plus he hit the trains with a bronx crew….

Comment by Lion XL 10.05.06 @

Somebody start up an Unkut charity drive, so Robbie can cop some spare change and pay somebody with superior typing skills to transcribe this shit faster.

I am sure plenty of heads have it anyway, but there is a solid interview with the Blastmaster in the October 1995 Rap Pages if anybody wants it up…

Comment by dOtbOy 10.05.06 @

man.
what a great read.
since i know your site i got a so much different look on the culture/history of rap. that said from a 28yearold living in europe.
you gotta fill books with that shit.
plus theres nothing glorified.
different opinions and real talk right there.
keep up the good work.
much appreciated.

peace.

Comment by axiom78 10.05.06 @

I agree with the last poster. Unless you lived in and around NY, you only got beats and peices of all these events and even then they were filted through some biased media (the source, mtv). Loved the interview rob, keep up the good work.

Comment by thebridgeisover 10.05.06 @

much thanks to Kenny Parker and Robbie for this.
just like AJ said…entertaining and enlightening.

Comment by mordecai 10.06.06 @

Hell yes, this is EDUTAINMENT. I think its fair to say crew/posse was always a factor from the gang days (black spades, zulus) to the Wutang.
KRS has always been a contradiction, he does seem a bit off. Still one of the most important emcees..even though I heard “i’m a blunt getting smoked and I can’t wake up” the other day. Kick me in the grill.

Comment by BK 10.06.06 @

GREAT post! This is the #1 site for the heads.
So what was the signficance of the “Outta Here” video in ’94? Is that a spoof of the PM Dawn bumrush or what?

Comment by Bunta Sugawara 10.09.06 @

Bunta Sugawara….it could’ve been a video of a wild HipHop jam, and I’ve been to a few HipHop jams that are exactly like that in the Outta Here video

Comment by Kevin 10.09.06 @

Calling yourself Bunta Sugawara = Hiphop!

Comment by bse 10.10.06 @

Loving the “Kenny Parker Chronicals”…keep them coming, but on the real…when y’all gonna do an article ’bout what happened with Steady B and Cool C, as well as the rest of the “Hilltop Hustlers” out of Philly.

Comment by k.arnold 10.10.06 @

KRS-ONE is HIP-HOP! he is the ESSENCE of the culture, one of THE greatest emcees of all-time. he had a profound effect on MY LIFE! i would say that only RAKIM and KOOL G. RAP were better!!!

KRS-ONE IS the reason why i took a B.A. HONOURS degree in PHILOSOPHY & HISTORY (i am well-read in metaphysics & espistemology). i even agree with KRS-ONE, when he says that “CRIMINAL MINDED” was the first gangster rap album!

BLESS-UP, to KRS-ONE and BOOGIE DOWN PRODUCTIONS.

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ps: check out my myspace page, especially the pics from my recent biznizz trip, and pics in the south BRONX, THE HOME OF HIP-HOP (as well as my latest 12″ single INSANE MACBETH f/ THE ‘LEGENDARY’ ICEPICK: “TRUE HEART”).

BRIXTON, south LONDON all the way!

Comment by Insane Macbeth 10.11.06 @

WOW. looking forward to the next one.

i was really edutained by the part about the old crews and how that perspective relates to the bullshit of today.

melle mel said it best…

“stop watching those gangster movies!”

Comment by thesurgeongeneral 10.12.06 @

another great piece. krs dropped classics and have never refrained from expressing his opinions. everyone contradicts themselves at one point or another, in fact, I believe that most (if not all) great artists have a certain contradictory or ambiguous nature. particularly in hiphop, you’ll want to display your message in full force, positive or negative— I think krs was trying to embrace and recognise different aspects of life and hiphop culture, doing battle songs and conceptual songs about drugs and violence, and at the same time talk about upliftment and unity as the true ideal. with that said, I must sadly admit that one of the truly great voices of hiphop has lost all relevance over the years. peace

Comment by Double R 10.13.06 @

Very compelling article. Kenny Parker is one of the soldiers of hip hop that deserves to have his story heard. Props to Unkut for providing a forum for him to speak to us.

By the way, I think the lead rapper of the Poor Righteous Teachers went by the name Wise Intelligent.

Comment by craigstarr 10.22.06 @

“He’s a battle rapper, and he came-up battling, and he’s had a lot of numerous battles that people know about – and don’t even know about”

I’m sure we would love to hear those stories as well as audios of those battles people DON’T know about

Comment by Kevin 11.14.06 @

I like this site. Its crazy to read about so much extra shit that went on in hip hop especially in the late 80′s early 90′s when internet wasnt used yet and plus me being a young white dude from the suburbs at that time. I think Kris is one of the greatest ever-I agree with that one dude who said most great artists are contradictory. I even felt bad for KRS when he tried to battle Nelly a few years back because i knew there was now way hed win or come out looking strong when nelly is on TRL and KRS cant even get on late night hiphop radio. In “We in there” he says ” u think im gonna grab the mic and waste my nation’s time?”-classic lyrics.

Comment by chris 11.20.06 @

Excellent interview! Sex & Violence is actually my favourite BDP LP and I remember thinking that KRS-ONE was mental that year. The PM Dawn bumrush is definitely something I would’ve like to have seen first hand – happy days!

Comment by Hudson 08.03.07 @

Great interview!

Comment by Supreme Cuisine 10.02.07 @

God bless KRS1, Scott La Rock And BDP for all the years of hard work producing classic HIP HOP !!
May they long continue, PS Thanks for visiting the UK, the show at Shepards Bush was legendary, we really appreciate your contributions to the culture–peace!! Kamanchi Sly representing HIJACK THE TERRORIST GROUP 2009!!

Comment by ksly 07.07.09 @

PEACE! MY MAN CHRIS -OH! FROM CONCOURSE VILLAGE IN THE BX WAS THERE! HE WAS MAD HYPED WHEN HE GOT HOME! HE LOVED THE PM DAWN PART! HE SAID THEY GOT TOSSED LIKE SALAD!
BDP LEGEND WAS BORN RIGHT THERE! ( OK, IT WAS BORN B4 THAT, BUT YOU GET MY POINT!!!! )

Comment by EDOGZ818 11.04.09 @

Amazing article….I think it’s worthy to note that throughout the PM Dawn fiasco Hip-Hop Connection, the UK magazine, had mad support for Kris…some of those old “Bite Backs”- man, the UK has always had pure love for KRS/BDP!

Comment by vollsticks 05.16.10 @

Also, when Kenny says that MTV didn’t play KRS’s stuff after the PM Dawn debacle?–I still have the Yo! MTV Raps “Saturday Special” with Fab Five Freddy interviewing Kris on VHS. He addresses the PM Dawn issue directly…plus there’s a funny as fuck bit where ICU accidentally calls Fab Five “Fly-By Freddy” and they all crack up…classic.

Comment by vollsticks 07.10.10 @



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