Strawberry ice cream is the only good flavour of ice cream. It is great, I eat it all the time. All other flavours of ice cream are shit. I hate them. I never eat them. Except raspberry which tastes a bit like strawberry, even though it’s from a different kind of berry.

You think Milano is better than Phonte? Are you kidding me? I mean, he’s okay and all, but really, he’s nothing special. Phonte puts it down, and puts it down with consistency.

And Killa Sha better than 3000? Not for a moment. Killa Sha is, at best, typical. He’s not even a stand-out. 3000 has dropped so many classic tracks it’s ridiculous. If you really think that’s Killa Sha is better than Andre 3000, then you should probably stop writing about what quality hip hop is.

Also, if you’ve listened to Slum Village = Slum Village and still think that Joell Ortiz (who is only okay) is better than Elzhi, then your ears are broken. If Elzhi’s verse on 1,2 doesn’t impress you, then you need to seek a refund from you audiologist.

Also, I’ll grant that Pharoahe Monch is better than Common, but only because Pharoahe Monch is better than anyone right now. Common is better than most of the people on the left side of your comparisons.

Beyond that, you haven’t listed most of my favorite non-New York MCs in your comparison. There’s no Aceyalone on your list. Who’s better than Acey?

You don’t list Aceyalone, Abstract Rude, Murs, Brother Ali, Blueprint, Pugz Atoms, Mac Lethal, or anyone else who hasn’t sold hundreds of thousands of records. The fact of the matter is that you’re comparing NY underground artists to only non-NY artists who have broken mainstream. It’s clear that you don’t listen to the non-NY underground. That’s not a fair comparison because right now, across the country, underground is killing mainstream. It’s a lot easier right now to drop a terrific rhyme than it is to drop a terrific rhyme and sell a million copies of it.

You’re also biased towards things which get you amped up. There’s more to quality hip hop than making you want to break windows, and if you can’t see that then you’re gonna miss out on a whole lot of really terrific hip hop. Of course, it sounds like that’s what you’re already doing.

NY has produced a lot of good MCs and still produces a good number. But many of the new cats you’re citing are trite. They rap about how great they are and how they are hood and sell drugs and carry guns. That’s played at this point. Kool G. Rap did that 20 years ago. By this point, it’s been done to death. I need to hear something new, and that means listening to innovative MCs wherever they’re from.

“Sure, you can argue that Little Brother or Blu or whoever is nice, and I’m not saying they don’t do their thing, but it’s very rare that anyone outside of the Rotten Apple gets the hair on the back of my neck standing up or inspires me to break a car window at random.”

Maybe you live in New York, or have some sort of emotional tie to the city. An Aragonese rap fan might say that Kase-O is more inspiring than Rakim, and he’d be arguing on the same grounds as you. But it sounds ridiculous to say that no one outside of Zaragoza can rap. Same reason you got a billion frat boys on the internet saying Z-Ro murks all. They’re right, by the way.

Dotty X’s my man but come on!!

outkast, goodie and dungeon fam was some shit i could get down to…

Are you trying to win a Darwin award or something?

you’re wilding as far as the clipse and bun b are concerned, and probably 3 stacks too even though i’m not a big fan. but the rest of your >’s i’ll go co-sign all day.
ps: what’s the official name of the >-symbol?

I’m from Boston and I don’t agree with this shit at all. As far as you’re list, it SHOULD go:

Money Boss < The Clipse (not even when MBP had 5 members were they nicer than Terrar/Pusha and Malice!)
Blaq Poet Kanye West (ever since 1990)
Roc Marciano > Lil’ Wayne (ever since 1993)
Sadat X > Ice Cube (ever since 1993)
Joell Ortiz Guilty Simpson (but they’re in Random Axe together!)
Minnesota= Black Milk (but BM is the man right now!)
Doo Wop > DJ Drama + DJ Khaled
Milano T.I.
Killa Sha < Andre 3000

This post is bait like an old Ultra 12″.

One.

You have a 12″ of Bait? Better get that shit insured.

Come on Robbie, you don’t even believe this post! Joell Ortiz better than Elzhi??? Man! Joell is dope but better than Elzhi man?? Elzhi is one of the best dudes out right now. He would easy be top 10 of current dudes.

Nah duke, you are kinda buggin with this post……I know exactly where your coming from, the overwhelming majority of fresh Hip Hop came from N.Y. {Mecca} no doubt…..But what about Ras Kass, early Del, M.C. Ren, E Rule, Saafir, Jihad, {3rd Sight}, early Common, Selfish, Decay, Ice- T { yeah he from Jerz, but he learned a few things out west}, I could go on 4 days…..

sure you right.
but antidote was dope.

southern rappers are terrible. if we can stop them we can get this shit back.

Robbie is playing devils advocate….i love to see people hyped up on hip hop. RIP BREED

Robbie, I applaud your knack for stirring up shit. Keep it up.

No disrespect to Boston, but The Bean gets acknowledged & you fail to give Jersey its due?
Poor Righteous Teachers > Ed OG
Lauryn Hill > Benzino
Redman > Guru (Yea, I said it!)

redman over guru? listen to step in the arena or daily operation again…

^^^ Gangstarr was 80% premo, 20% Guru.

redman better than guru? LOL…. I love Step in the arena but cmon now….. R u fukking kidding me?

whoah i mean guru better than redman? damn I was just so taken aback by that comment my grammar went out the window. SOUTH ORANGE AVE ALL DAY….oh and my godmothers from Roxbury so this aint even no Local tribalism

“^^^ Gangstarr was 80% premo, 20% Guru.”

By my internet calculations, that means Gangstarr was 60% Houston and therefore 100% uninspiring rap music.

Blaq Poet > Andre 3000

Are you serious? Kill yourself, seriously.

lol Robbie. Is it the anniversary of that post you made about illmatic or something? I just know there has to be an alterior motive for stirring everyone up like this!

Hilarious post. Reading the comments is even more hilarious. You forgot Kwame > Rakim.

right…i mean Kwame > Scarface.

What about Ras Kass, Crooked I, RBX, Ludacris, Twista, Royce … there’s a lot of talent from all over the States!!!

i voted. i feel so cheap.

I’ve just tested all of those equations. Surprisingly they’re ALL correct. Even the Killa Sha one.

I also ran some other stuff through the equipment, and the following formulae came out:

The Clipse - Neptunes/Timbaland = 0
Lil’ Wayne =
Elzhi - Jay Dee = Guru - Premier
Black Milk = Jay Dee / 0.5

I appreciate mustard showing his work. A+

Redman better than Guru? Get the fuck out of here. I like Redman and all, but Guru has made numerous classic tracks. Not to say having the best DJ didn’t help him (shit, Prmier made Group Home sound good) but Redman is a step below.
Oh yeah being from NY makes me play favorites, but there are still good mc’s from all over. Common, Outkast, Scarface, etc

Group Home IS good… why don’t people just say it… so is Brainsick Mob… these are undisputed facts, look into it.
Robbie, funny shit with great intentions: an NY-centric world of hip-hop was great once it could be again, so thanks for keeping hope alive with hitler-ish tactics, as well, I gotta give respect to a blogger who begs people to call him a douchebag, that’s some G.G. Allen shit right there… keep up the good work douchebag and try not to get so down on yourself… I notice you don’t live in NY? Why not? if you love it so much why don’t you marry it?…

shamz, BTW, goodlookin’ on big upping Jihad from 3rd Sight all the time… he’s a way under-rated Cali MC, his 12″ “Rhymes Like A Scientist” with DJ D-Styles from the late-90s is a wicked good record. Golden Shower Hour, Murder Death Kill, all that shit is grimey classick!

I am not american so I’ve always been a geographically unbiased listener and I also must admit I went into different phases including the heavy rotation of west coast gangsta rap in the early 90’s. But now as a reluctant customer in my mid 30’s I can see Robbie’s point. Even though some of the NY mc’s he claims to be better than their rest of the USA colleagues might not be always technically superior, I must say that it’s rare to find the energy and the rough approach of New York mc’s in a rapper from elsewhere. And I am of those who consider Elzhi one of the best rappers in years. But I’d still listen to old albums by Kurious,K-Solo or D-Nice rather than stuff from theoretically best rappers such as Ras Kass,Planet Asia or Outkast. And that’s not just because I don’t share most of their choices in beats…

That’s what the fuck is up…ScubaHoodedFuneral thank you for telling the truth on “Jihad”……Ill Hip Hop is not a regional thing anymore…….Pow

redman is better than guru. if anyone has a classic guru freestyle i wanna hear that shit. lol….fuckin doesnt exist. just listen to redmans freestyle with biz which came out be4 step in the arena by the way…and u might wanna do the wop the running man and the huckle buckle too….what a nerd

Even if they have different stlyes, Redman and Guru are both top class, that’s not the point, Guru is NY-bound and even if you consider him a non-newyorker, he is still from Boston which made Robbie’s list. Redman should be compared to someone like Daz or E-40 or Nelly. And he chews they asses!

By the way Robbie, what about a poll to determine the top non New York rap albums ever which could then be compared to the top NY albums in order to consider which area has been the most consistent at least in terms of music quality?

redman is from south orange ave newark nj…thats closer to ny than roxbury…whbi/wnwk is a newark station….club sensations in downtown newark was one of the major hip hop clubs back in the day…..like dude… what r u talking about? nj ny and philly were like the only places you could hear rap in america in the 80’s….cmon

Dont forget Godfather Don one of the most illest at flippen styles which no one does anymore. Pretty much anything that came out nyc trystate area before 98 bodies any of that soft shit out now… Beatnuts, Show an AG, Group Home, Gang star, Redman, Wu… all that shit is why we all fell in love with hip hop….

Obviously I consider Jersey as part of New York in terms of great rap.

^^^^ Pardon then.

Merciless you sound like a bafoon once again …..{” N.Y.”, “N.J.” and “Philly” the only places to hear Hip Hop in the 80’s}……Wow, that’s one of the silliest comments I have heard in a minute duke……Radiotron, what……KDAY {The first 24 hour Hip Hop Station in the country} what…..All out west……..I could go on and on but I will stop there…….By the way, “Redman” might be a better spitter/battler than “Guru”, But “Guru’s body of work, kills “Redman’s”………The only shit I have liked from “Redman” in the last 10 years was “GillaHouse Check” and “That’s My Word”, from “D.J. Honda’s album………100

@ mercilesz:

The first cities to get regular Hip Hop shows and have Hip Hop regularly crack it’s regular airplay rotations were: NY, NJ, Boston, MA, CT, Providence, RI, Philadelphia, PA, Chicago, IL & various spots in CA. Then they started having regular shows all over the place starting in the early 80’s (’80-82). This is before RUN DMC, LL Cool J, The Fat Boys and several other acts broke nationally.

Are you talking about JUST 1979 or some shit? Boston was playing “Rapper’s Delight”, “King Tim III (Personality Jock)” and all that early shit on the radio, too. God bless WRBB and later Lecco’s Lemma.

One.

One.

whbi had mister magic. nuff said

oh i meant real rap…isnt that what Robbies post is about?

oh yeah zulu beats was on whbi….do your homework and dont play with me

Homework?…..In Cali, we got all them radio show tapes…
Supreme Team, Chillout, Red, Islam, and all that shit……The problem is you didn’t do your homework about our side……{Real Rap}…..Please, “Money Merciless” you already played yourself……Julio G, Dre, Alladin, Joe Cooley, DDZ, T Stone, K.C.S.B, Broadway, King T, E Swift, etc……..It’s a T.K.O folks

lol king t and e swift i give u props 4… they r dope….

@ mercilesz

maybe I didn’t get my point clear: I was trying to say that comparing Redman to Guru is not a good point in this post because the comparison should be made betweeen NY/NJ rappers and rappers from elsewhere. And I consider Guru part of the NY Hip-Hop culture as we all know Gang Starr were always based in Brooklyn. I wasn’t tryin’ to say that he is better than Reggie Noble (by the way, he’s not), I was just sayin’ that both Redman and Guru are better than most of the non-Tristate area rappers. Plus Robbie wrote:

It’s not so much that everyone outside of New York can’t rap, but they just seem to lack that certain spark that residents of Queens, The Bronx and Brooklyn seem to bring to the table (don’t sleep on Long Island either). Fuck it, throw Philly and Boston in there as well.

This later sentence makes Guru part of Robbie’s strength mc’s even if you consider him a bostonian.

Peace to all you little faggots catching feelin’s.

Boss Money > The Clipse = Eddie Cheeba & Bago by a lightyear

Blaq Poet > Bun B = Blaq Poet’s bootleg mixtape is better than Bun B’s whole career

Q Tip > Kanye West = I never liked Tribe that much, but I always hated Kanye

Roc Maricano > Lil Wayne = “Snow” >> Lil Wayne’s whole career. The kid is a homosexual leprechaun lookin freak with a retarded voicebox

Sadat X > Ice Cube, Ice T, Ice Cream, Ice Berg…whatever the fuck

Joell Ortiz > Elzhi = yes
Elzhi is fucking garbage and only overrated by you dick humping net nerds

Minnesota is a legend. Black Milk is average at best.

Milano > Phonte = you kids deaf AND retarded?

“Rep For The Slums” >> Phonte’s career.

you fag hags are WAY too sensitive.

By the way…

Redman > Guru

I always thought Guru was garbage. And Primo is known for working with sub par emcees.

Redman is top 10 of all time.
Guru is….top 100.

Lemme add on:

Show & AG > UGK

Godfather Don > Del

RZA > Dre

so you’re saying black milk is dilla times 2?

oops - messed that comment up. it was in response to mustard saying “Black Milk = Jay Dee / 0.5″ which is the same as saying “Black Milk = Jay Dee multiplied by 2″

The way I look at it…. Every one has there own opinion and ear for whos better, but one thing you all gotta agree on is the intergrity and love of the artform and skills definetly went downhill after 1999. When this computer online crazyness took off the whole dam culture went down hill. these kids are spoiled nowadays. They can do everything from inside there house. You used to phisically have to be in the streets, clubs, open mikes, etc. to really grasp what was going on in the game. Robbie your list is kinda crazy in a way but if thats how u feel, so be it. I cant run with killa sha being better than andre, now we all know that is not the truth… ease up. we hear you but be easy…

Blaq Poet deserves respect, but Bun B in his prime wipes his ass with the dude. Ridin’ Dirty and Super Tight shit all over almost anything anybody you’re biggin’ up has ever released.

Nowadays Bun is more formulaic, but he can still still rap circles around half of New York without having to think about it. And Andre 3000 can do the same.

Also– Money Boss may get busy, but Pusha T is out of his mind with it, so you can’t count Clipse out. T.I. and Phonte have also dropped some outstanding shit.

The way I see it, the stuff that matters most outside the East Coast is a select batch of Houston and Atlanta rap: OutKast, Goodie Mob (Soul Food makes most rap albums look inadequate), ‘Face/Geto Boys, Devin/Odd Squad, Z-Ro/Assholes By Nature. I can do without most of the West Coast and elsewhere. With certain exceptions, of course, such as Saafir because “Light Sleeper” is essentially the greatest rap song ever.

So Robbie is wrong, and as for Redman vs. Guru, of course Redman. One’s a really talented rapper, the other’s just solid. I love Hard To Earn and I’m still surprised whenever he has a particularly good line. Which happens maybe 5 times on the album.

you a stupid fresh genius, word

@ AFFEX

I dig most of what you wrote but you messed up badly with one sentence:

And Primo is known for working with sub par emcees.

Now that’s major bullshit. Primo might have worked ALSO with sub par emcees but he has produced dope beats for many mic legends including arguably the top three mc’s of all time:

Rakim (New York, It’s Been A Long Time, others)
KRS (almost the WHOLE “Boom Bap” album and other dope stuff such as “MCs act lile they don’t know)
G. Rap (First Nigga out of his rawkus album is one of his best joints ever)

Plus, artists he discovered such as Jeru, Krumb Snatcha, NYG’z or Hannibal Stax are far from being sub-par. (OK maybe Big Shug might be but what the fuck)

ceedub - of course I didn’t mean ALL emcees Primo works with are average.

I mean…I’m a big fan of Rakim, Poet, Royce,G Rap, etc..but Big Shug, Termanology, etc..are wack as fuck.

T.I. and Phonte have also dropped some outstanding shit.

outstanding?? C’mon, now you’re reaching.
T.I. has (in my opinion) never dropped a decent track in his career. T.I. , Jeezy, Weezy, whatever the fuck…the dudes rely on their “swagger” (no homo) more than anything.

And you dudes serious about Andre 3000???

People actually listen to Andre 3000??

That’s a serious question, coz I could never listen to Outkast/Andre 3000.

Anyway…

T.I. is terrible

AFFEX wrote:
“Joell Ortiz > Elzhi = yes
Elzhi is fucking garbage and only overrated by you dick humping net nerds”

i agreed with u on all the other ones,but on this one u musta had a hit of the crack pipe..slow down homey

I’ve always thought that Outkast lovers are not really into Hip-Hop…ok maybe I’m biased and I can see that people from the ATL/Decatur area might relate to them but their shit is far from the kind os stuff Hip-Hop got me used to…

T.I. sucks and always will…

Phonte is average and is not helped by a soft-ass production team…

Comparing Guru to Redman is unfair because Redman would win against most mc’s out there…Guru should be respected though because he’s kept it solid for more than a decade (damn, I even dug his solo lp after he split with Primo!)

And to be honest I think both Joell Ortiz and Elzhi are dope as crack!

is 63 comments the max on any post or what?

…apparently not…

Robbie

Your Poll pairings would make a great billing for a Wrestling Match ( not that current US Shit - proper UK 70s business … FIT FIN-LAY! and all them )

Love to see a masked K-Sha body slam Andre(w)

And the Money Boss / Clipse tag team bout would be amazing.

Make some calls Robbie - make it happen.
1.Ed

Purple Haze > all of the NY rap albums released since 2004.

And I hate Dipset (but that record is retarded- IN A GOOD WAY).

genius post…keep em talking fam haha

haha i think some people forget that this site is called a tribute to ignorance and some posts need to be taken with a grain of salt. But still, agreed for the most part, NY emcees do always bring that certain somethin that can’t be matched.

But if you’re talkin’ non NY rappers, Black Thought matches it with any rapper past or present. And currently Supastition burns most emcees you can name (present day)

Andre doesn’t even give a fuck, his rhymes are layered and take time to unpack and he doesn’t even give a shit if he flies over motherfuckers’ heads. Sometimes he can seem too mannered but I think the first three OutKast albums, plus most of the fourth, are damn near perfect.

9th Wonder and the other producers Phonte hangs with are weak. But the man himself writes good lyrics. I think he’s one of the nicer rappers out.

T.I. gets iller as a rapper all the time and has always had finesse enough to sell anything. Plus he was fucking rugged out the gate– his first single was nasty. He isn’t a genius but there’s gotta be ten. fifteen tracks of his that I think are dope as hell.

I think Guru is the single worst rapper to ever be considered a legend or seriously respected. Out of all the emcees who get reverence and love from the late ’80s, early ’90s, he is by far the wackest.

I stand by my claim that Bun B is one of the all-time greats. And in the present day, KILLER MIKE will demolish whoever you can name.

NY (excluding commercial shit) has just been more consistant. this statements kind of like saying if youre not in Hollywood dont make movies…..

I voted YES, and except for the very last two artists it wasn’t a question. But, Killa Sha>Andre 3000, I’m not quite sure of that. Andre puts it down like no other from down there when he’s rhymin’. I will say I don’t know a lot of Sha’s material, either, so I’m not going to debate stridently.

i love this shit LMAO!!

wtf. i stumbled on this shit maaad late. what a shitshow. but here’s the breakdown:

Money Boss.. u fkn kidding? Clipse take it.

Blaq Poet is dope…but c’mon sonny. Bun B.

I suppose Q is better than Kanye technically. We’ll come back to this in a few years.

I LIKE Marciano. I LIKED Weezy. Both have an opportunity to sell me still. But neither has yet (except for when Dedication 2 came out, I thought shit was about to go down right there).

Did u just say that Sadat fackin X is better than Cube? U mad twisted son. That’s some audacious shit. Amerikkkaz Most Wanted bitch. c’mon.

Joell Ortiz smokes Elzhi (fuck Elzhi).

Sean Price, Minnesota, Doo Wop & Milano all win too.

Pharoah probably is better than Com. But he hasn’t proved that shit yet. U kidding me man? He hasn’t put out close to enough material. Com fell off hard but Pharoah hasn’t even had a chance to fall off. We’ll come back to this one when Pharoah actually works hard on something again.

Unfortunately, be mad all you want, but with at least 3 amazing albums, TI actually wins (trace his IP and kill this motherfucker lol). Jada is incredible. But he is also one of the absolute LEAST CONSISTENT rap artists of all time. What a waste of talent.

Oh. and Killa Sha can suck my dick. 3 Stacks baby. holla. peace out.